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Season 2 Episode 2 | Recorded Apr 28th, 2021

Sources of Conflict and the Main Character - Part Two

Working through the Signposts of the personal throughline

This week, John continues to develop the Main Character Throughline by working through the individual Signposts. By thinking deeply about the Sources of Conflict driving each of these Act-sized Storypoints, John shows how you can use Subtext as a brainstorming and creative tool for unlocking brand new ways to write meaningful and eventually moving conflict.

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00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:01.000 Over the problem one as well.

00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:08.000 And I wanted to talk about two things before we dive into the rest of the main character.

00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:13.000 Hopefully you guys all saw Jim this last Writers Workshop class.

00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:25.000 Sorry, the writers room, and he talked about how will people avoid the solution element that they avoid actually writing the solution element. So we were talking about it.

00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:40.000 And I'm proposing this idea which I'll run with here and maybe we'll implement it into some texts that instead of calling it the problem and the solution or the or the these sorts of drive and the D motivator.

00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.000 Whether or not it's a change story or steadfast story.

00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:49.000 The first one, the problem is going to be the motivation.

00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.000 That's the thing that's driving them through the story.

00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:58.000 The motivation causes them to look at the focus. It removes them in a certain direction.

00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:06.000 And in a steadfast story, and the solution is what.

00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:19.000 It's not just the thing like we talked about last week that they see but they don't want to do it really is like the opposite of their motivation, it's the D motivation, it's the thing that they look at it, they don't want to do it and it actually pushes

00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:23.000 them back into the motivation.

00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:27.000 So it's it's it's more that it's it's the.

00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:34.000 The thing that they really don't want to do it, it'll D motivate them.

00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:41.000 And if this were changed story to sort of piggyback on Jim this writers room.

00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:46.000 The motivation is replaced with a new motivation.

00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:57.000 So it's not necessarily that it's a solution to this problem, it really should have nothing to do with this problem. It's a whole new motivation. It's a whole new mindset.

00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:07.000 I think the main thing that he was getting across in that class, which I'll just reiterate here is that you know you're in a mental process. When you're talking about the problem quad.

00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:16.000 And it can look like a dilemma, it doesn't necessarily have to be as complex as all this as the whole conceiving in order to being so forth.

00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:31.000 It can be more colloquial it can be like, you know, I want to have my cake and eat it too. but your mind is in that process and if it's if you're talking about solution is like well I'll just stop eating cake, you're still thinking about the pursuit of

00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.000 cake.

00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:41.000 Whereas if you were to switch to a new motivation, then it would be fairly, right, it would be about.

00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:51.000 I mean wouldn't even get cookies, it would be it would be like, you know, how do I octopus. How do I never know like no no no that's not what you mean.

00:06:51.000 --> 00:07:02.000 It would be something like, how do I learn to play golf. Right. Yes. How can I, how can I play golf or or me just to keep it in the theme of the story so it's not totally.

00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.000 All right. Sorry.

00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:10.000 It could be like, you know, how can I cook for all my guests and be the life of the party.

00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.000 Right, so you're not talking about having your cake and eat it too anymore.

00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:18.000 You're talking about a whole new thing.

00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:32.000 And it's it's, that's the difference is that you've switched to like a new mental process that's going on, and for me it's easiest to think of it in terms of its own dilemma, like there's it has its own source of conflict.

00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:40.000 It might be one that you're okay with if it's the solution element right or a new motivation, as I'm calling it.

00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:47.000 But the whole point is like, I'm no longer in this mental process and letting this drive.

00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.000 I'm now in this mental process, and this is driving it.

00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.000 So if you think of it in a steadfast story.

00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.000 This is the mental process that when you consider it.

00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:09.000 Your mind goes no going back to this, and everything that happens is going to push me back to this I'm never going to switch over to this one.

00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:20.000 So hopefully that clears up and adds a bit to a bit and Jim to send the chat hundred percent behind this idea, he just tried it at the last writer.

00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:25.000 And it made a huge difference and understanding.

00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.000 So cool that's encouraging and does that.

00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:34.000 Is that a bit clearer to you guys to think of it in those terms.

00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.000 Yes.

00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:51.000 Because maybe, I don't know I'll have to think about it, because it runs the risk of, you know, coming up with a solution like Jim had in the writers room have somebody who's pursuing fame right it was.

00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:57.000 And then your, your solution to be like okay just stop pursuing fame.

00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:04.000 Right, you're still in that mental process that's all wrapped up in pursuing fame. It's either you're going to pursue it or stop pursuing it.

00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:16.000 That's not the same thing as going to a whole new element, where you're thinking about a new mental process that's going to be the new thing that motivates you.

00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:22.000 Okay john you've just convinced me from now on I'm only writing steadfast stories.

00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:39.000 Everybody will think I'm writing change stories because we're changing from pursuing family to pursuing work. Yeah, although it's a steadfast story, not only not only are you only going to write steadfast stories, they're going to be holistic too Right.

00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:46.000 That's right, so I don't have to worry about goals are consequences or action drivers are

00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:47.000 really funny.

00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:51.000 I'm learning so much.

00:09:51.000 --> 00:10:00.000 So hopefully that that helps a bit. Does anybody else have any questions comments concerns worries.

00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:07.000 Hey john This is Mike. I just wanted to add, when you talked about the D motivation.

00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:21.000 You said something which was, which was interesting and I think I agree with about how you said it, not only kind of motivates them but also ends up pushing them back into their motivation eventually.

00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:25.000 Right. It's the thing that when they look at it.

00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:37.000 You know when the mind considers that dilemma it, it'll D motivate them like it pulls their motivation away from the motivation that they're with.

00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:38.000 Right. Yeah.

00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:47.000 And, you know, you could even in the chain story. Think of it as the D motivation as far as it's pulling it away from this motivation.

00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:53.000 Right, it's like right probation until it becomes the new motivation.

00:10:53.000 --> 00:11:08.000 When they actually change. Yeah, yeah, that's cool like. And the cool thing is like that process I think it may depend on the particular story or the even just the, you know what, what part of your story kind of it might be different at different times

00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:19.000 but, but I think you can show it like it might take some time, sort of like, if you could have like a section of the story where the main characters kind of a bit lost in there.

00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.000 They're sort of struggling with that D motivation.

00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:34.000 You know right and you can show that in different ways like maybe they don't feel lost maybe they maybe they think they're happy but really, like, you know, the reader or that the audience could probably tell that like something's a little off here you

00:11:34.000 --> 00:12:01.000 know they're they're going into strange direction here you know and something something's going to happen right right and then depending on whether it's changed or steadfast you know in a change the audience leave feeling like, yes, do it, you know, Well,

00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:11.000 And like it was said in the writers room, it's not that this solves this, which is why I'm suggesting to move away from the term is problem and solution.

00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.000 Because this is not a solution to this problem.

00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.000 It's just a new motivation.

00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:25.000 Right. You're just changing your motivation

00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:40.000 isn't just isn't the word so it wasn't originally used because they actually kind of because it's the, even the change story is the motivation the original motivation which is causing the problem isn't there.

00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:55.000 So I guess that that problem is no longer there. So, so I don't I'm not going to Jess and the idea so completely in my head for a change but I do like I do like the new motivation because it makes it easier to think of in terms of writing.

00:12:55.000 --> 00:13:04.000 Right. It is, it is. I think used in that sort of turn where it was the solution to what was causing the trouble.

00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:21.000 But really it's it's that Yeah, the solution is a new motivation. Yeah, when you're writing if you think about that, it helps you answer this. Yeah, no, I like that is such a nice big mental shift and

00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:39.000 I would just throw into it I think the solution was also used in the sense that it's a solution to the inequity that's being experienced. Right. It is it is the element that solves the inequity

00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:46.000 right and you know the main thing to remember with all these is that each of them is a mental process.

00:13:46.000 --> 00:14:04.000 You know, it was mentioned in the last class with Jim that like, it's not like a fixed thing like oh and now and now I'm free of this control, like the internet, like free eating as a process is now the thing that drives you are freeing in this case is

00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:09.000 the thing that will be motivate you.

00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:22.000 Cool. So, this leads us into what the new subtext is shaping up to be have some pretty cool visuals coming up here.

00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:27.000 And so just bearing in mind, the issue we ran into here make sure to keep an eye out for.

00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:37.000 As we come up with these, make sure we're not just repeating ourselves and coming up with two sides of the same thing.

00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:49.000 So now when you open up a story beats signpost one, what we'll do today. Go through the signpost see how far we can get, and come up with new sources of conflict.

00:14:49.000 --> 00:15:01.000 So we got this pretty little thing here with an arc and a little section of the source of conflict, and then a little section for what you actually right so we won't have to jump back and forth between another document it'll all live here.

00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:11.000 When you break it down we'll show a couple weeks from now, it continues this thread and it gets neither neither.

00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.000 But for today.

00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.000 We can start off with a conflict of memory. Oh, one more thing I wanted to cover.

00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:29.000 Before we do that, so we know generally who this character is, It's this person who is, you know, they want to avoid rejection for print sadness and less creating this new persona draws people towards you.

00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:41.000 You know there.

00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:52.000 And then we get down to the thing motivating them, which is like this feeling like I need to restrain myself so I don't end up hurting others except more control something the harder gets to control.

00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:59.000 So they have this, this is their mental process, causing all their problems and driving them through the story.

00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:08.000 We had some name suggestions. Last week I was kind of wanted to nail one down. If you guys want to chime in here.

00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:14.000 I went and looked up just to have fun with control.

00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:32.000 Some time period names so we had like principles which is Latin for leader.

00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.000 I like Princess. Princess, there it is.

00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:43.000 Alright, so we will call main character, for instance.

00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:58.000 is just way too close to Princess Leia It is so good. That is what it is so good.

00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:04.000 It's got built in conflict.

00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.000 Great.

00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:16.000 He's got a real backstory. You know everybody in their brother is going to be calling him princess. Oh my oldest troops we making fun of them and whatever princess.

00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:25.000 All the troops we making fun of them and whatever princess. No. All right.

00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.000 Getting into memory here.

00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:38.000 We'll go through our normal technique where we do conceiving in order to being a less conceiving leads to conceptualizing.

00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:42.000 So just, I mean we can really describe anything here.

00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:51.000 We could do you know the character, remember something or recognizes some maybe recognizes something.

00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:58.000 I could call scores, but was it recalls horse, I think it said worse.

00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:18.000 Okay, we got that so what how do you justify the characters mental process of recalling horrors I, I, and again these are all going to be in the eye perspective because we're in the main character through line.

00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:25.000 So I can should want need to recall force.

00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:34.000 In order to what what's what's the justification you guys

00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:39.000 might have for meeting and this could also be the negative versions of it.

00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:45.000 Can't shouldn't, etc.

00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:50.000 Really Got anything jumping out of them were.

00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.000 Another element be easier.

00:18:52.000 --> 00:19:01.000 I should we call the horrors of my captivity in order to stay motivated for achieving freedom.

00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:10.000 Surely call the orders of activity is that tied closely to the house.

00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.000 It could be.

00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:23.000 Yeah, it could be here would be to sort of find a way to pull it away from the overall story.

00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:30.000 Let's just say let's let's generalize it let's. I should I should recall personal horse.

00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:34.000 What's, what's the reason why somebody would want to do that.

00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:41.000 or to what and then we're looking at being here is knowledge ability or desire.

00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.000 So you should we call personal hoarder personal whores.

00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.000 In order to know something.

00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.000 What do we get.

00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:19:54.000 --> 00:20:03.000 The, the text script at the bottom, it doesn't say horse horse.

00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.000 Fancy horrors.

00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:15.000 Could it be something like I should recall personal hoarder whores in order to know.

00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:21.000 Like, know when I'm getting into

00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:34.000 have this in my head before it makes so much sense. But like no no when I'm getting into trouble sort of or no and, Yes, I think somebody in the chat Shawshank just said in order to stay sharp.

00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:48.000 Just the same thing you're saying, Yeah, yeah, cuz I was thinking you know if you've experienced whores. One reason you need to remember that is to make sure it's like it doesn't have to again sort of just get a sharp which could also be like you know

00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:54.000 be alert, or some form of that last.

00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:01.000 Now this is where you can I mean we could just repeat this, say, I should can need whatever.

00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:06.000 But it's always a little bit more juicy if you come up with a more conceptual version.

00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:25.000 And so you think of just conceiving as I think of some idea leads to conceptualizing like so some idea leads to implementing that idea, which would then negate this first half.

00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:32.000 So you could say you know unless the.

00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.000 good.

00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:40.000 Unless like you know scary memories, maybe or

00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:45.000 less scary memories what lead to

00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:54.000 Scary memories lead people to officers nightmares nightmares.

00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:55.000 If it's.

00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:06.000 Sorry. freeze freeze physically freeze, like Chris said like like a PS PTSD. Yeah.

00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:15.000 Yesterday, that right right which is like a situation or circumstances or the way you feel about yourself. See yourself.

00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:25.000 So I should recall, recall personal horror as an artist, a stay sharp less scary memories lead to the beach PTSD.

00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.000 Now let's do the question the test.

00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.000 can you do these at the same time.

00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:37.000 Can you stay sharp, while having PTSD.

00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:42.000 Not to me I understand I'm really right no no it's all dressed people off, so you.

00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:52.000 You can either recall the personal horrors to do something good, or falling scary stuff leads to PTSD.

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:58.000 Great. So I think that works for the most part, unless Jim you want to chime in, because we did it wrong.

00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.000 I think we're good.

00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.000 All right.

00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:05.000 We close that guy.

00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:15.000 JOHN really quickly how do we were starting with going from conceiving to being and then how are we, how are you going to move in that direction.

00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:28.000 Oh consuming it to being that is just the way that a linear mind, the order that linear mind solves a problem when you pull up the saving bit here.

00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:39.000 So, when the, as I understand it, the linear mind, because it needs to see patterns that right Jim.

00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:54.000 would be much better answering this to me because, and then the chart basically kind of gives us this so not right, not on your own. Oh, yes yeah I mean you can just refer to the chart here but it's basically conceiving leads to being or sorry, conceiving

00:23:54.000 --> 00:24:04.000 in order to being unless on the other side conceiving leads to conceptualizing on it right and that would create a conflict and if this were a realistic story.

00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:09.000 It wouldn't be conceivably to being a less conceiving leads to becoming.

00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.000 And if you look at the issues under becoming.

00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:22.000 It's a lot more holistic minded stuff, like, Oh, well I'm committed to this or it's my responsibility and you know my rationalization is I can't do that or have an obligation to somebody.

00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:34.000 It's more holistic encompassing more than just the linear version which is conceptualizing, which is more like well this is the situation. These are the circumstances.

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.000 This is how I see myself or this is how things are.

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.000 It's just a much more linear way of seeing it.

00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.000 Great, Thank you for that. Yeah.

00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.000 So now we have a new one.

00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:51.000 So same same deal. We're going through subconscious.

00:24:51.000 --> 00:25:06.000 Right, so it's it's the same lose this little source of conflict blacks here were some sort of subconscious I mean, could be hard.

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.000 Being a heartthrob where's that one.

00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:15.000 It's, it's what's given its let's get in. It's right there.

00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.000 Okay.

00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:28.000 So, I want to have such a strange one to us as the element.

00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:33.000 Let's just lay a little easier on ourselves and pick something more.

00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:47.000 I can just picture this guy who's got all these swimming Grecian or Roman or person women up in the stands, all he's doing is gladiatorial stuff.

00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:53.000 He has PTSD and it's like, Whoa, this guy's messed up but hey look his ladies man.

00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.000 But look, he's cute. Right, right.

00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:05.000 Right, right. I mean it has to be a changer I'm sorry you could change it. I just giggling.

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:09.000 It's a really fun idea.

00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:16.000 I mean, do you guys want to roll with that one

00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:21.000 could be easier to do one that's more,

00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:31.000 especially for the maker through line that's more internally subconscious, because we're in, in his eyes like a his, his point of view.

00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.000 I mean it could be that he has something to do with being a hard drive.

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:42.000 But it, you know, Shang says I must not be a heartthrob in order to.

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.000 Okay, so I shouldn't.

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:53.000 I let's let's say I can't be a hard,

00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.000 Hard to tease heartthrob.

00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.000 In order to wet.

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.000 I can't be a heartthrob.

00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:11.000 In order to and again this is like being right so knowledge ability or desire.

00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:20.000 And why why would you justify that yeah I can't be a heartthrob because I need to be what

00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:31.000 I need to be known as order to be known as a meaning scary Gladiator

00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.000 don't think those are explicit.

00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:45.000 We're not that that part yet. Well, I know that but this strange thought to have I can't be a heartthrob cuz be scary.

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:50.000 Scary.

00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.000 Okay, well let's see what we come up with.

00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.000 I can't be.

00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:59.000 I can't be a heartthrob. In order to be known as a scary Gladiator.

00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:05.000 Okay, unless

00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:15.000 the idea of what receiving is all like having an idea or

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:22.000 idea of, you know what, if we're going off of him.

00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:28.000 You know, being, we can look at other elements here thing to do.

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:49.000 Like being being hated and feared being, or they had the idea of unless being loved gets me extra training or, you know, being doted on being there being appreciated by

00:28:49.000 --> 00:29:04.000 the ladies of the college CEO gets me extra things that I really like, Yeah, kind of works I think if we can frame that in the way that's conceiving.

00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:25.000 Right, of what is it that it's, you know, giving people the wrong idea or giving people an idea like implanting an idea in people's heads, or, you know, coming up with a new way to do something differently.

00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:30.000 Unless being their inspiration or.

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:41.000 What else did I see their lives inspiring others what others, others feelings.

00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:50.000 Okay, to what

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:57.000 like we're taking this like I said training weapons conjugal visits.

00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:07.000 Okay, so like special circumstances as right like, Sure. The special treatment let's just say,

00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:08.000 right.

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:18.000 So I can't be a heartthrob to be this scary Gladiator but on the other hand, you know if if I inspire other people's feelings, it might lead to special treatment.

00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.000 So if I'm.

00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:24.000 If I'm affecting people's basic drives and desires.

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.000 They might get me some special treatment right so maybe you can be.

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.000 Arthur like it seems.

00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:43.000 You can do these two things so we can do those things. Let's do the test is this. Are these mutually exclusive, can you know they're not mutually exclusive.

00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:51.000 It seems like you can generate feelings lead special treatment which helps you be any later.

00:30:51.000 --> 00:31:01.000 So, let's try something to help us along, pick a different starting just.

00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:08.000 So if we could, you know, I need you to go ahead be been feared with what am i.

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:17.000 So, I, you know, want to be feared.

00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:24.000 In order to be known as scary fight either.

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:31.000 Last, this might be easier to come up with

00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:55.000 the other half of it unless what for what about within the cure and more illustrations, and try to think of them in terms of conceiving like some idea like what basic driving desire, creates an idea in for you or an idea on to others.

00:31:55.000 --> 00:32:06.000 Like idea.

00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:18.000 It's easier we can look at the conceiving things again right like unless I do but was it again I need to be feared in order to be known as a gladiator.

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:22.000 Unless what you know the.

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:38.000 Unless, like some new insight or having little insight or inventing something conceiving something fresh some new way of doing things you're giving somebody the wrong idea.

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:48.000 Preventing somebody from getting the wrong idea. I think jumping out at you guys.

00:32:48.000 --> 00:33:00.000 I like your insight one like is there is there a way we can mix that with subconscious to something that started down this new insight

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:03.000 as to what

00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:19.000 some sort of concept conceptualizing so this new light, insight, leads to, you know, coming up with a plan for something if you're looking at conceptualizing, it's all like you have this idea so you have a new insight.

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.000 what are you going to do with that new insight.

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:47.000 So, painting a picture for somebody, or working out how difficult that might be, or realizing your career ambitions planning to do something like this some new insights conflict with wanting to be feared to be known as a gladiator

00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:53.000 spiritual awakening leads to a spiritual awakening.

00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.000 Great.

00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:03.000 So let's let's run the test. So this was a look so

00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:11.000 I want to be feared in order to be known as the scary Gladiator but some new idea leads to a spiritual awakening.

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:15.000 So can you have this new idea of a spiritual awakening.

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:23.000 While you want to be feared as as a gladiator depends on the spiritual awakening.

00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:33.000 Yeah, they're necessarily exclusive. Do you want to specify that then, like, What is the spiritual awakening.

00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:45.000 Like leads to, instead of just a spiritual awakening, a path of being a passive.

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.000 Sure. Okay.

00:34:46.000 --> 00:35:05.000 That one. It's almost almost almost too much the opposite. Right. Yeah, you're right, it's but I was going to suggest a spiritual awakening suggests like a, like a whole new version of yourself.

00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:16.000 Right. The idea that I'm approachable, Shawshank needs to the idea that I am approachable.

00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.000 leads to the idea that I'm approachable.

00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:27.000 So the idea that you're approachable would be this part, like the new insight.

00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:36.000 Right, that would lead to conceptualizing, which is like, how do I, if there's an idea that I'm approachable.

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:43.000 What does that lead to. It leads to, you know, a.

00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:55.000 Let's just call this a new vision for yourself.

00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:00.000 Right, like how can you, how can you have a new vision for yourself.

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:07.000 If you're trying to be something else

00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:07.000 that making sense does that work for you guys.

00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:32.000 Making sense does that work for you guys. So if you want to be feared, so you know the scary thing but some new insight, we don't know what that is yeah this is all the storytelling leads to, you know, you know, it can be creating a new version of yourself.

00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:42.000 Yeah, right. And this is like a plan that you're implementing, there's some new thought. Doesn't matter what it is at this point this is just establishing a mental conflict.

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:50.000 Like you want to be feared to be something. And in fact for this, keep it away from

00:36:50.000 --> 00:37:08.000 the story that we have to call this something here, because it doesn't matter at this point it's it's just, and we might come up with a whole other story for him that's happening concurrently with the overall story that's not so tied to it.

00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:15.000 You know, maybe he wants to be known as a good father or, you know, fear to be known as a.

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.000 I don't know, something.

00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:23.000 Now you can see like I'm trying to be one thing, unless some new idea.

00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.000 Makes me want to be something else.

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:31.000 And you could this could be feared.

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:36.000 Doesn't matter.

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:44.000 Can I just clarify something about the conflict of subconscious, for me, fair in love in the first half.

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:55.000 In this, the second half, and after the unless here was the illustration of subconscious there's that the.

00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:14.000 So we don't currently have one. Okay, it would be stronger if we did have one, don't necessarily need one as long as there's a thing that conflicts with the first chance, okay, right it's, it's, it's implied that some new insight, leading a new version

00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:18.000 of yourself conflicts with this desire.

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:24.000 Sure. Okay. Thanks for clarifying this, it could be a new.

00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:34.000 Instead of saying a new version of yourself. It could be a new, you know, a new way to love yourself for myself.

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:40.000 Yeah, right, a new way to love yourself like said,

00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:50.000 I see but but it doesn't that conflict of subconscious can be covered. Just in that first half but yeah but I mean even something as simple as replacing this here.

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:56.000 Yeah, creates a new drive for myself. Yeah, you're you're talking about basic drives again, you don't. Yeah.

00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:01.000 So yeah, to make it a little sharper.

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.000 Well that's great that's really helped get nailed down that way. Yeah.

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:12.000 Great was trying to get 10 minutes he has one do one more

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:17.000 question so far.

00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.000 Alright, let's jump into it.

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:26.000 What do you guys think of this new look, by the way.

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.000 Beautiful killer.

00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:36.000 Guest killer. I really liked it that when when Jim came up with this, it's really, there's something just kind of pleasing about it.

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:45.000 Definitely like having a separate box for your source of conflict. And you can also like add notes if you just have further notes.

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.000 And then this will eventually be the thing that you actually did the storytelling.

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:55.000 And this this will end up in the treatment.

00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.000 Right, and it'll it'll bypass these things.

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:11.000 When you're working on the story, you can do all your notes and stuff here, whatever it is you want to actually say print on the page goes here.

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:23.000 Cool. So, you're now looking at conscious, some sort of justification for conscious.

00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.000 So, think something over at length.

00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:43.000 Someone's contemplating of brooding over something you're reflecting of oneself, you're disregarding something, don't forget that you can do a lack of conscious or subconscious or somewhere in the middle.

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:56.000 daydreams meditates muses flex on something, hundred brainstorms collecting your thoughts, concentrating.

00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:00.000 Anything jumping out of you guys

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:09.000 I like the disregards disregarded to disregard something. so

00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:33.000 I which which version of conceiving the like need should, should I should disregard something or two against so far being in order to be known thought I want ability want.

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:47.000 So I should disregard something in order to be able to do something to think, to be able to think about something or be thought of, like to be able to do something.

00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.000 Okay.

00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:57.000 And it's disregard something in order to do something else, let's say.

00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:05.000 alright so this is, I mean you can you can fill in the blanks with whatever you want here, this regard, blank.

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:14.000 In order to do something else, right, like I have to get rid of one thing, stop thinking about one thing, or do something else.

00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.000 Less.

00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:35.000 And then you've got the same thing as before the, we could, you could conceivably Do you know another instance of can need should, where you can go to the more broad scope and just go to conceiving

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.000 should disregard something or do something else.

00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.000 Last

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:51.000 know, Reflecting on something, right, like

00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.000 less.

00:42:53.000 --> 00:43:05.000 Again, think of this in terms of like conceiving it's like coming up with an idea, having an idea or.

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:23.000 Kind of like having something stuck in your head right unless you know, an idea, stuck in your head, leads to what.

00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.000 Like what what's.

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:37.000 You know this is like getting rid of something, and this is like keeping something. So that leads to has to be a benefit, right.

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:42.000 It has to conflict with the first one

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:46.000 doesn't necessarily have to be a benefit.

00:43:46.000 --> 00:44:04.000 It could be two good things, it could be too bad things, the point of it is that you can't do both at the same time you have your, your, your mind thinks I have to choose one of these things and I can't choose one of these things.

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.000 So I have an idea stuck in your head.

00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:11.000 I mean, it definitely can be a benefit.

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:20.000 But what's to say doing something else is good or bad,

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:27.000 right like what if you're disregarding something good to do something bad, or disregarding something bad to do something good.

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:37.000 Unless having that idea sticking your head leads to what

00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:45.000 like looks like a situation that that might cause for yourself.

00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.000 Like I need to get this out of my head.

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.000 And so I can do something.

00:44:50.000 --> 00:45:06.000 Unless, having that in my head, or with, maybe the unless is throwing here say but but having ideas stuck in my head, leads to

00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:15.000 should be some some form of conceptualizing so like implementing that is the reason why I'm having trouble with this

00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.000 is because

00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:28.000 almost because they're not up as set, as I'm disregarding something so I'm pushing it away I'm getting it out of my head.

00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:37.000 Unless having an idea stuck in my head leads to something and but I'm like there's no idea stuck there to me.

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:44.000 So it's, I guess stuck is tripping me up.

00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:53.000 Okay. What if we just get rid of it I think it says the same thing, having an idea in my head

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:58.000 right or having an idea.

00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:07.000 Does that does that help clear. Okay, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna do it in my head. Okay, you

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:11.000 do what. Right.

00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:23.000 I mean we could just say it leads to

00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.000 Jim is saying that sounds like opposites.

00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:43.000 And I think john you're talking about this. I think he thinks the thing is the thing he's written he thinks it might be opposites, on the phone she's angry the thing before he's saying I should disregard something in order to be more productive.

00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.000 Right this year.

00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:56.000 regard something in order to be more productive.

00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:01.000 But having an idea

00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.000 in my head.

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:11.000 leads to more ideas,

00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:17.000 which I think is pretty close. It's kind of like conceiving leads to conceiving.

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:31.000 Well, not exactly like leads to making popping ideas you don't ever actually get to be productive asked Jim.

00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:39.000 So, maybe just Amanda this leads to more ideas.

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:55.000 It doesn't seem to be a development, meant have a plan right as what I'm saying it's not there's no, there's no plan every week, it could be a lack of a plan right or a lack of implementing a plan.

00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:10.000 Right, having an idea in my head leads to more ideas that slow me down right is like you're, you're unable to plan.

00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:17.000 I think I'd like that rephrase to is but having too many ideas

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:28.000 prevents me from implementing one

00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:34.000 What that is talking about the same aside.

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:39.000 Right. This is what you're trying to do you're trying to get rid of ideas.

00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:49.000 So I should disregard them to be more productive, because having too many of them prevents me from being productive now okay yeah I see which me.

00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:57.000 Right. This is.

00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:09.000 So let's start it again I should just regard something order to active.

00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.000 But then, let's see.

00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:24.000 James was having an idea in my head, leads to more ideas, which unless I'm missing something I think is just conceiving leads to conceiving.

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:30.000 You know conceiving leads to a surplus of conceiving

00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:42.000 right but so maybe you know, holding on to an idea or, let's just look at another thing here to help us out.

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:51.000 Unless, you know, music about something, Just kind of always using about something.

00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.000 It's too wet.

00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.000 Like what's, what's the justification.

00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:11.000 You lead, you know, music over the same thing leads to right like you know,

00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:23.000 know how do I say this coming up with new ways to implement that idea, right, like, it leads to,

00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:32.000 you know, solutions, I'd never think of before.

00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:38.000 Right, so like the implementation of the idea.

00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:42.000 Right, it's like on one hand you're like I need to get rid of this idea so I can just be more productive.

00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.000 On the other hand, If I stick with the idea and think about it.

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:52.000 They might come up with something I would have never thought of.

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:56.000 So I like it until you get to that part I'd never thought of before.

00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:02.000 Yeah, if there's a way to make this more conceptualizing.

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:09.000 I think the key word I was latching on to was solutions here. And, yeah, Jim is agreeing he says conceiving.

00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:17.000 So how can we phrase this leads to

00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.000 creative visions.

00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:34.000 No cuz that's stuck in the senior living so we're looking at like the implementation of an idea. So I mean we could just pull anything figuring out how something should be done right.

00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:53.000 came up the added musing about the plight of the spotted Toad makes you a better person, absolutely hilarious I hadn't I hadn't one that I was reading here and I had makes makes me a better person was really interesting was on next to you.

00:51:53.000 --> 00:52:02.000 That's interesting. Yeah, makes make you a worst person to though.

00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:07.000 This is cool because it's like a totally different context.

00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:13.000 Right, it's just like, you're not concerned about being productive.

00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:19.000 Jim is adding that it's not conceptualizing, you want to use just the issues, under there.

00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.000 I think he means.

00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.000 That's

00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:34.000 right. He can we use a sense of courage, this is, by the way. Yeah.

00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:41.000 Hello, Jim is adding the second part is all about being woke, which is conscious.

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.000 Right, the whole makes me a better person. Is that what you're referring to Jim.

00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.000 This part. Yes.

00:52:48.000 --> 00:53:02.000 Right. Music is something leads to a sense of self right, you know, making me a better person, which is yes sense of self or state of being. However you want to see it.

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:12.000 And I really like this because it has nothing to do with the first bit. But it conflicts with it and one on one side you're thinking I need to get rid of this thing is like if you're productive.

00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:22.000 On the other hand, if I'm used about something, it could lead to a whole other thing, where this is inconsequential.

00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.000 Hey john quick question.

00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:31.000 I should disregard, and this is a specific example that I was working on so I just want to see my did it right.

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:36.000 I should just regard caring about other people's emotions.

00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:49.000 Unless musing about whatever makes me care more is also about being a better person but is that caring and caring the same too much of the same.

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:55.000 I should disregard caring about other people's emotions in order to have more control.

00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:02.000 But, or unless musing about that, about.

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.000 This leads

00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:14.000 right so I should disregard. So you said the thought is disregard other people's emotions, but this is conscious caring about other people's emotions.

00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:25.000 So it's like being conscious of other others.

00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:34.000 There's nurture have more control, right, like, I shouldn't I shouldn't think about other people, so I can just focus on control.

00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:38.000 But music about something leads me to

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:46.000 lead to make me a better person. Let's start caring about them but I just yeah it becomes complicated.

00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:50.000 Right, but I think this here.

00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.000 I think that it should still work with what you filled in. Okay.

00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:09.000 I should disregard being conscious of others right like I should stop thinking about other people, so that I can have more control, but going over something over and over in my head, makes me a better person.

00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:14.000 Right. So how can you be a better person if you're forgetting about people and screen them over.

00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:25.000 And that's, that's the mental dilemma.

00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:29.000 Cool.

00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:35.000 This all this will be interesting when we bring these into the storytelling bit I mean I've been praising them.

00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:41.000 You know I should and this it feels a lot like the overall story.

00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:44.000 There's still a constructed the same way.

00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:51.000 When we go through all four I'll come back and we'll try to come up with just a shorter version of this,

00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:59.000 where it's like, you know, like I was asking before the overall story what. So what's the problem what's what's the thing if you're just to say it in a sentence.

00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:10.000 So we'll come back and do that. And then we'll let those become the forces driving the storytelling and how we're going to encode this.

00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:16.000 So cool. Yeah, great, great classes really fun.

00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:27.000 thank you john yeah we'll come back we'll do this last one, samples for and then we'll get into the storytelling it'd be great to have it right here in this new format.

00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.000 So we're going to work all the kinks out hopefully it's become available to everybody soon.

00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:47.000 And, yeah, be great if you guys have any suggestions. Now that you've seen us working through this about the way it looks, or the functionality or something or I wish I could, whatever if I click add notes and I'm like, oh nevermind How do I close this.

00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:54.000 whatever it is, let us know.

00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:58.000 Cool. Yeah, you know the functionality is pretty awesome.

00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:02.000 Yeah, I really like it. I like how it's all here and you have options.

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:05.000 Pretty curves and everything.

00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:09.000 Great. So yeah, maybe I'll say anything.

00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:15.000 You can do a recording of last week so

00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:29.000 I don't know if it's uploaded yet, but it will be. If it is not, I don't think it's up yet, but hopefully later today up later today. Thank you for season one.

00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.000 Season One, to see what we did with the overall story.

00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:59.000 And then for anybody who's new season two is going to be all main character in season three will be the influence character and season for will be relationships.